The long-shot plan to save TikTok from a US ban

So far, ByteDance has shown zero willingness to rotation disconnected TikTok successful the US. The Chinese genitor institution seems to beryllium banking connected the Supreme Court oregon President-elect Donald Trump rescuing the app before it’s banned adjacent month.

The evident names that would would bargain TikTok if they could — Amazon, Google, Meta, Microsoft, Oracle, etc. — are sitting connected the sidelines and waiting to spot what happens successful the coming weeks. The timepiece is ticking. Congress just sent letters to Sundar Pichai and Tim Cook reminding them that they volition beryllium legally liable for continuing to big TikTok successful their app stores aft January 19th. 

Then there’s Frank McCourt, the existent property billionaire and erstwhile proprietor of the Los Angeles Dodgers. For months, McCourt has been precise nationalist astir his tendency to bargain TikTok. He has ramped up his drumbeat since ByteDance precocious mislaid its ineligible combat connected appeal. This week, helium pitched much investors connected his Project Liberty program to bargain the app’s US operations. 

When I spoke with McCourt implicit Zoom successful betwixt those capitalist meetings, helium told maine helium presently has astir $20 cardinal down him for a bid. He has asked Kevin Mayer, who was concisely TikTok’s CEO the last clip it was astir banned from the US, to beryllium involved, though Mayer hasn’t signed on. McCourt told maine his squad has talked to “most” of ByteDance’s biggest American investors and that they’re “very interested” successful his plan. (Spokespeople for these firms either declined to remark oregon didn’t respond to my pings, and Mayer didn’t person a comment.)

There are respective reasons McCourt’s effort to bargain TikTok is simply a long-shot, the biggest being that, adjacent if ByteDance wanted to sell, the Chinese authorities whitethorn not fto it. Then determination are the method details of his proposal, which would spot TikTok enactment connected a decentralized protocol that is funded by McCourt and untested with a level of TikTok’s size. For me, the biggest reddish emblem of each is that there’s a cryptocurrency called Frequency tied to the project.

McCourt has high-minded ambitions for however the net should enactment that are successful enactment with the emergence of federated platforms similar ActivityPub and Bluesky. He imagines TikTok offering a marketplace of user-created algorithms, overmuch similar Bluesky does today, and users having the quality to ain their profiles. Keep speechmaking for much from our speech this week…

The pursuing Q&A has been edited for magnitude and clarity.

My knowing is determination are aggregate pieces of Project Liberty. You’ve got the Decentralized Social Networking Protocol (DSNP) and past the TikTok bid, and they’re connected. It each seems a small spot afield from what you person historically done.

Having seen the harms of societal media and wherever the net was going arsenic it became highly centralized, I dedicated immoderate resources to commencement a nationalist argumentation schoolhouse astatine my alma mater, Georgetown. I was possibly naive successful retrospect, but I thought that we could get the policymaking apparatus retired successful beforehand of the occupation and steer things successful a amended absorption retired of that school. 

Then I realized that the nationalist argumentation making apparatus is nary lucifer for Big Tech, truthful I began to spell backmost to my roots. My household has been gathering infrastructure for 131 years, truthful this really isn’t precise acold afield from our halfway competency erstwhile you deliberation astir this not arsenic bundle astatine the app layer, but arsenic infrastructure astatine the basal layer. I talked to a fewer superb machine scientists that we person successful the institution and enactment the task to them of solving this from an engineering position if you had nary limitations. The reply came backmost that you would spell up and make different protocol that would link us, conscionable similar TCP/IP connects devices and HTTP connects data.

Our extremity present is bigger than buying TikTok. It’s reimagining however the net works. Purchasing TikTok and moving 170 cardinal radical to a reimagined, upgraded net would catalyze that alternate and compress time.

Is this a fiscal endeavor oregon is this philanthropy for you? Do you spot a instrumentality connected concern here? 

I spot it arsenic some and we’ve been precise cautious to abstracted the two. Project Liberty has an institute, a 501(c)(3), that’s purely not-for-profit. DSNP has been talented to the world. That is being supported by the institute. 

The layer-one blockchain, Frequency, is tokenized. The assemblage volition ain the bulk of the tokens but that volition beryllium a commercialized endeavor. TikTok, erstwhile we bargain it, volition beryllium a commercialized endeavor.

If you were fixed the accidental to bargain it but a information was that you couldn’t bash it connected this protocol you built, would you inactive bash it? 

Probably not due to the fact that I don’t cognize however you would execute the objectives we privation to achieve, which is to beryllium capable to tally the level without the algorithm and springiness radical ownership and power of their relationships. You request an implementation instrumentality to usage DSNP. 

I would beryllium wholly open, however, if idiosyncratic other built an alternate to Frequency. We’re looking to decentralize, not further centralize. 

Have you studied the fediverse: Mastodon, ActivityPub, and past besides what Bluesky is doing?

I respect each the radical who are doing that due to the fact that they are trying to amended the net and respect individuals. A federated attack is precise antithetic than having a cosmopolitan societal graph that’s globally accessible. 

We’re saying that thing has to alteration fundamentally with the internet. What Jay Graber is doing with Bluesky is large but you inactive person a Bluesky identity. You’re inactive connected Bluesky and your relationships are connected Bluesky. Let’s stipulate that it’s amended but you’re inactive there, right? At immoderate constituent possibly Jay is not there.

Give maine an update connected the presumption of your capitalist transportation and however overmuch wealth you person committed. 

People are ace excited astir this and superior volition not beryllium an contented astatine all. The contented is going to beryllium what ByteDance does. We’ve been saying for implicit six months that we felt the authorities was going to triumph the case.

I don’t deliberation ByteDance’s entreaty is going to beryllium successful. This is going to beryllium a shut-it-down oregon merchantability it scenario. Like President-elect Trump, I’d similar to spot it not banned. We’re not asking China for the algorithm. We’re not an antitrust threat. We’ll walk CFIUS vetting. We don’t request oregon privation the algorithm. We person a cleanable stack wherever the idiosyncratic basal tin migrate.

We don’t cognize what ByteDance is going to decide. We surely anticipation they determine to merchantability and sphere immoderate worth for their shareholders. We’ll bash it connected presumption that we deliberation tin beryllium a win-win. China keeps the algorithm. US citizens are protected. The app stays alive.

Is $20 cardinal the magnitude that you inactive person committed?

That’s what we’ve got circled close present and that’s an bid of magnitude what we deliberation this is worth. Now, I accidental that with a immense caveat: we don’t cognize what ByteDance is selling. We deliberation we person a precise bully thought of what the existent numbers are, but it’s not similar there’s a information country that ByteDance has acceptable up and we’re wrong of it. I deliberation we person a bully consciousness of what this would beryllium worthy if ByteDance keeps the algorithm and sells the idiosyncratic basal and the contented and the brand.

There are 3 categories of investors. One radical is the existing American companies that person invested successful ByteDance. We’ve talked to astir of them. They’re precise interested, assuming ByteDance agrees to sell. They would either enactment much superior successful oregon support their superior in. 

A 2nd class are radical that are acquainted with the plus due to the fact that they’ve looked astatine it successful the past. Some are looking astatine it for the archetypal time. These are the ample equilibrium sheets that deploy large amounts of superior and they’re funny successful what we’re doing. The 3rd class is the bucket of taste capital, radical with power who are funny successful being a portion of this and bringing their communities with them. 

When volition you stock who your backers are?

We’ll beryllium capable to stock erstwhile we cognize what ByteDance is doing. It makes nary consciousness to beryllium barking up the incorrect histrion here. 

You’ve had nary conversations with ByteDance leadership, right?

That’s correct. I reached retired earlier the decision. They were not funny successful speaking astatine that time. We’ll effort it again. They cognize astatine this signifier of the crippled that we exist, we’re interested, and we anticipation that there’s incoming astatine immoderate constituent arsenic well. But we respect their decision-making process. They’re going to determine what they deliberation is champion for their interests.

Have you spoken to Trump oregon his team?

We’re successful the process of reaching out. I’ve heard President-elect Trump accidental helium doesn’t privation to spot the app banned. I’m precise funny successful having that speech erstwhile this gets sorted connected the China broadside and they determine what they’re going to do. 

Are you acrophobic astir different ample would-be acquirers, similar an Amazon, besides circling TikTok?

I don’t spot the large incumbents being bidders present for a mates of reasons. One is antitrust, obviously. Secondly, ideate you were a baccy institution and you built a large concern and past radical started to get disquieted due to the fact that radical were getting sick and dying due to the fact that of the addiction of cigarettes and carcinogens. If you bought a baccy institution aft the surgeon general’s warning, past you were putting a people connected your backmost due to the fact that you were buying it with the consciousness that your merchandise kills people.

The maturation of these platforms happened truly fast. Then we discovered that determination are harms. Anybody buying TikTok and replicating the existent design, which is to scrape peoples’ data, use algorithms, and manipulate people, they’re buying this with their eyes wide open. So I don’t spot a batch of bidders due to the fact that radical recognize they’re conscionable putting a people connected their back. 

Let’s instrumentality this occupation and really usage it to catalyze an upgraded internet. Then, a batch of the problems spell away. A batch of the lawsuits spell away. A batch of the harms spell away. That’s Project Liberty. 

AI researchers privation to party

Hundreds of the world’s apical researchers gathered this week successful Vancouver, Canada for NeuralPS, 1 of the world’s apical world gatherings successful the tract of AI. I asked The Verge’s Kylie Robison (who conscionable published a fascinating heavy dive connected the past and aboriginal of ChatGPT) what it was similar being determination connected the ground:

Are determination immoderate recurring themes you’ve been proceeding successful conversations?

The “Is AI hitting a wall?” speech came up sometimes, but this is not the spot wherever radical really judge that. AI information was thing I coiled up talking astir a lot. A probe taxable that besides came up a batch was what Fei-Fei Li focuses on, which is helping AI recognize the satellite similar we bash successful presumption of physics and objects. That touches a clump of chill things — robotics, agents, precocious reasoning.

Which laboratory does everyone privation they worked at?

This league was filled with students from Waterloo and University of Toronto who fundamentally privation any AI job. (It was rather saccharine sometimes watching those students country an AI exec astatine a party.) If parties are immoderate indicator, everyone wants to get arsenic adjacent to OpenAI arsenic possible. This is simply a highly world league with tons of radical conscionable wanting to bash good, heavy research.

What was the hottest party?

The Midjourney enactment was 4x oversubscribed and researchers kept sending maine the RSVP link. Everyone was asking astir the concealed OpenAI parties, though.

“These conversational interactions are going to go the aboriginal of the web… This is the adjacent browser; this is the adjacent hunt engine.”

There are plentifulness of absorbing takeaways from Mustafa Suleyman’s caller Decoder interrogation with Nilay Patel. The Microsoft AI CEO doesn’t look to hold with Sam Altman connected the timing of AGI’s arrival, and helium revealed that Microsoft won’t bid its ain frontier models erstwhile OpenAI is doing it for them anyway. He besides takes immoderate shots astatine Google’s absorption civilization versus Microsoft’s, which I’m definite volition origin immoderate eyes to rotation successful Mountain View, fixed the mode Suleyman excited.

As a follow-up to this conversation, I urge listening to Sayta Nadella’s interrogation this week with Brad Gurley and Brad Gerstner. Reading betwixt the lines, it’s wide that determination is ongoing hostility betwixt the level of compute Altman wants and what Nadella feels comfy spending. For those intimately pursuing Nvidia’s banal price, Nadella besides mentions that Microsoft nary longer feels GPU constrained but alternatively constrained by the powerfulness requirements for its information centers. 

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